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and in the pentagon will, this this is actually true. so why don't we use nuclear weapons to assure deterrence and we don't have to station conventional forces in korea, said. or we could reduce the number of conventional forces. you see this interesting trade-offs of what is cheap. and when you are discussing budgetary questions in the absence of strategy, in the absence of a really hard strategic look at some of these things, we're going to get into this discussion of this cheap in the short term and then there's cheap in the long-term which will let in some of the ways that mike hanna colleagues have mentioned. i'll just make one last slide a provocative point to start a fight among the panel members come and kiss her but i would disagree with winslow. so having said all of this, what do we want the pentagon leadership? what should we want to make sure that we are actually managing, managing the reality behind these numbers allegedly smart and any security smartly. it's frankly not clear to me that it is a bad idea to have someone who
and in the pentagon will, this this is actually true. so why don't we use nuclear weapons to assure deterrence and we don't have to station conventional forces in korea, said. or we could reduce the number of conventional forces. you see this interesting trade-offs of what is cheap. and when you are discussing budgetary questions in the absence of strategy, in the absence of a really hard strategic look at some of these things, we're going to get into this discussion of this cheap in the short...
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commander in afghanistan who is now under investigation by the pentagon's inspector general for what officials described as potentially inappropriate e-mails with one of the women directly involved in the case. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more on this ever-widening story. >> reporter: the scandal involving two very different women, tampa socialite jill kelley and petraeus biographer paul broadwell ensnared not only petraeus but his successor. john allen who took over from petraeus in afghanistan and is the president's choice to be supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe, a nomination now temporarily on hold. >> sweetheart, thank you for all that you have done for me and for our precious -- >> reporter: the general is married with a sterling record but on a flight to australia monday night aides to defense secretary leon panetta said there was a dramatic turn in the case. fbi investigators uncovered potentially inappropriate communications between the general and jill kelley, whom he and his wife got to know in tampa. and were reviewing betw
commander in afghanistan who is now under investigation by the pentagon's inspector general for what officials described as potentially inappropriate e-mails with one of the women directly involved in the case. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more on this ever-widening story. >> reporter: the scandal involving two very different women, tampa socialite jill kelley and petraeus biographer paul broadwell ensnared not only petraeus but his successor. john allen...
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the pentagon is combing through thousands of pages of documents belonging to john allen. he's denied any wrong doing. a u.s. official tells nbc news that the documents could connect general allen to jill kelley. she's the same woman whose original complaint about harassing e-mails set off the initial investigation. e-mails that multiple law enforcement sources tell nbc was traced back to this woman, paula broadwell. she's admitted to an affair with dvp dp. last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour
the pentagon is combing through thousands of pages of documents belonging to john allen. he's denied any wrong doing. a u.s. official tells nbc news that the documents could connect general allen to jill kelley. she's the same woman whose original complaint about harassing e-mails set off the initial investigation. e-mails that multiple law enforcement sources tell nbc was traced back to this woman, paula broadwell. she's admitted to an affair with dvp dp. last night fbi agents searched paula...
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jennifer griffin at the pentagon tonight. thank you. lawmakers said today they want to know whether general petraeus scandal investigation affected his testimony about the consulate attack in ben geaz. and they could soon get some answers from general petraeus himself. we'll get to that. plus, republic leaders saying they will block any attempt to make the u.s. ambassador susan rice the next secretary of state, if they can. their promise, the president's response and the rest of the day's news from the journalists of fox news on this wednesday fox report. uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. a winter wonderland doesn't just happen. by december 22nd it takes some doing. some coordinating. and a trip to the one place with the new ideas that help us pull it all together. from the things that hang and shine... ...to the things that sparkle and jingle. all while saving the things that go in our wallet. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home de
jennifer griffin at the pentagon tonight. thank you. lawmakers said today they want to know whether general petraeus scandal investigation affected his testimony about the consulate attack in ben geaz. and they could soon get some answers from general petraeus himself. we'll get to that. plus, republic leaders saying they will block any attempt to make the u.s. ambassador susan rice the next secretary of state, if they can. their promise, the president's response and the rest of the day's news...
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. >> the thing that was so strange to hear today was to watch the pentagon insist to reporters that there's nothing they know of that's untoward besides flirtation revealed in the e-mails between kelley and general allen. allen has had an absolutely star crossed tenure in afghanistan. he had scandal after scandal from the bails attacks that left 16 innocents dead to the koran burnings, to images coming out of marines urinating on a dead taliban militant, and he's been able to level with a lot of us in the press about the progress not really being as rapid as he would like and you see this happen to have allen swept up in all of this was kind of cataclysmic at the pentagon. a lot of us went to sleep thinking it was a scandal about general petraeus and then suddenly allen is involved in it. it was absolutely surreal. >> and richard, one of the things that happened over the years, petraeus has been glorified by the media, it is not something i felt capable of contributing to since i don't know anything about the military, never having spent a day in it but that doesn't inhibit other reporters
. >> the thing that was so strange to hear today was to watch the pentagon insist to reporters that there's nothing they know of that's untoward besides flirtation revealed in the e-mails between kelley and general allen. allen has had an absolutely star crossed tenure in afghanistan. he had scandal after scandal from the bails attacks that left 16 innocents dead to the koran burnings, to images coming out of marines urinating on a dead taliban militant, and he's been able to level with a...
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first, david petraeus and now general john allen being investigated for sending what the pentagon said were "potentially inappropriate" messages, putting on hold his likely promotion to become the supreme allied commander in europe. >> of course, it weighs on him as much as it weighs on dave petraeus. i believe that dave is very, very sad for what he admitted he did. >> reporter: at the center of this web, jill kelley, the tampa socialite and honorary military ambassador, living near the centcom headquarters where petraeus and allen were once based. officials say it was early this summer that kelley received anonymous e-mails, accusing her of flaunting her friendly relationships with top military brass. the fbi traced those e-mails back to paula broadwell's computer, where they discovered the evidence of broadwell's affair with david petraeus. but it doesn't stop there. abc news has learned that general allen also received an anonymous e-mail traced to paula broadwell, painting jill kelley as a seductress. a further look by the fbi into kelley's e-mails revealed hundreds between kelley
first, david petraeus and now general john allen being investigated for sending what the pentagon said were "potentially inappropriate" messages, putting on hold his likely promotion to become the supreme allied commander in europe. >> of course, it weighs on him as much as it weighs on dave petraeus. i believe that dave is very, very sad for what he admitted he did. >> reporter: at the center of this web, jill kelley, the tampa socialite and honorary military ambassador,...
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the pentagon says it's about 30,000 pages of documents. they may not all be e-mails, but a good portion of them are e-mails between allen and jill kelley. pentagon official telling reporters today in his words, they may have been inappropriately flirtatious. what does that mean? well, the word on the street is that he might have written some of these e-mails and maybe in some cases called her sweetheart. nothing more meant by it, we're told, than he's a virginia gentleman but, and it's a big but, on the other hand, defense secretary leon panetta ordered up a full-blown inspector general investigation, knowing he would set off a new firestorm across washington and leon panetta doesn't do that lightly. people on the other side tell us panetta would not have done it if there wasn't something to all this. >> right. the woman at the center of all this, this woman jill kelley, i'll turn to you, suzanne, on this. i want to play a tape, a 911 tape of kelley calling the tampa police to complain about people who were around the house, citing her sta
the pentagon says it's about 30,000 pages of documents. they may not all be e-mails, but a good portion of them are e-mails between allen and jill kelley. pentagon official telling reporters today in his words, they may have been inappropriately flirtatious. what does that mean? well, the word on the street is that he might have written some of these e-mails and maybe in some cases called her sweetheart. nothing more meant by it, we're told, than he's a virginia gentleman but, and it's a big...
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the fbi turned it over to the pentagon, and the pentagon has ordered its own investigation. the married general allen denies an improper relationship with kelley. he's currently president obama's choice for supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe. that nomination is on hold. as nbc news reports the president learned of the problems on friday, the same day he accepted petraeus's resignation. that hasn't stopped the con spearary theorists over on fox news. >> who knew about the affair before the leak, and why didn't they speak up? >> the idea that obama would not be told by coincidence two or three days after the election absolutely beyond belief. >> you have to suspend disbelief. >> it appears that the white house is lying again just as it was lying about benghazi. >> how could the fbi pick up something like this in the spring and take months to figure it out? >> we're supposed to believe that an affair involving the hetd of the cia was never discuss. >> did the sex scandal influence benghazi? why president obama didn't know about it? so if he did know about it, the
the fbi turned it over to the pentagon, and the pentagon has ordered its own investigation. the married general allen denies an improper relationship with kelley. he's currently president obama's choice for supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe. that nomination is on hold. as nbc news reports the president learned of the problems on friday, the same day he accepted petraeus's resignation. that hasn't stopped the con spearary theorists over on fox news. >> who knew about the...
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first to jennifer griffin live tonight at the pentagon. jennifer, it feels like there is a puzzle box laid out on a table and half the pieces are missing. >> it brings new meaning to collateral damage, shep. yesterday we thought we were dealing with the fall from grace of one four star jandi one sexual affair. today the woman who started the events jill kelley was found to be in appropriate relationship with the top u.s. commander in afghanistan general john allen. defense officials who are familiar with the hundreds of emails, 30,000 pages worth say that the general and kelley were having the, quote, email equivalent of phone sex. meanwhile petraeus' biographer paula broadwell has hired a lawyer. her father tells the new york daily news this is about something else entirely. the truth ain't come out. you wait and see, there is a lot more here than meets the eye. >> shepard: the email equivalent of phone sex. that is new here tonight. today we learned both of these generals, petraeus and allen, were involved in a custody dispute directly r
first to jennifer griffin live tonight at the pentagon. jennifer, it feels like there is a puzzle box laid out on a table and half the pieces are missing. >> it brings new meaning to collateral damage, shep. yesterday we thought we were dealing with the fall from grace of one four star jandi one sexual affair. today the woman who started the events jill kelley was found to be in appropriate relationship with the top u.s. commander in afghanistan general john allen. defense officials who...
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the pentagon now investigating general john allen. you know who he is? the top commander in afghanistan, for allegedly exchanging thousands of possibly inappropriate e-mails with, this woman, jill kelly, tampa, florida. she is a close friend of the petraeus family who sparked initial investigation into the cia director. that is what we've been told so far. follow the bouncing ball. it is a tuesday. martha: try if you can, right? good morning i'm martha maccallum. you will need a flow chart to follow this story as it develops because the cast of characters in this growing saga. the pentagon we're told is sorting through 20 to 30,000 pages of e-mails between this woman and general allen. she got, the fbi involved in the whole thing because she said that she was receive ofing harassing e-mails from this women, petraeus's biographer and ex-mistress, paula broadwell. bill: got all that? martha: i think so, you need a pen. catherine herridge is live in d.c.. tell us where we are today on the investigation. where is it. >> reporter: thank you, bill and good mor
the pentagon now investigating general john allen. you know who he is? the top commander in afghanistan, for allegedly exchanging thousands of possibly inappropriate e-mails with, this woman, jill kelly, tampa, florida. she is a close friend of the petraeus family who sparked initial investigation into the cia director. that is what we've been told so far. follow the bouncing ball. it is a tuesday. martha: try if you can, right? good morning i'm martha maccallum. you will need a flow chart to...
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with the war in iraq over and the president winding down the war in afghanistan, the pentagon faces some deep budget cuts. defense secretary leon panetta has called the cuts potentially devastating. what do you think that means and what would likely get cut? >> everything is going to get cut. if there's no agreement made across the board cuts will be made. i think you're talking about $483 billion. that's a great deal of money. and it's going to be arbitrary and it's not for nothing that secretary panetta is running around with his hair on fire. this is a guy, by the way, who made his name cutting budgets. so he knows what he's talking about, but you can't cut across the board any budget, including but especially the defense budget, without having a really devastating impact on things like flight hours, am niths, training, all the things that we need to keep the army, air force, navy, and marine corps prepared and operating. that sufficient is going to get slush eed arbitrarily. that's what panetta is worried about, what i'm worried about, and that's why there's got to be some agreement
with the war in iraq over and the president winding down the war in afghanistan, the pentagon faces some deep budget cuts. defense secretary leon panetta has called the cuts potentially devastating. what do you think that means and what would likely get cut? >> everything is going to get cut. if there's no agreement made across the board cuts will be made. i think you're talking about $483 billion. that's a great deal of money. and it's going to be arbitrary and it's not for nothing that...
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the pentagon is now investigating general allen for allegedly sending thousands of inappropriate e-mails to kelley but allen is saying he did nothing wrong and the president and the army are standing by him. >> the president thinks very highly of general allen and his service to his country. as well as the job he has done in afghanistan. >> i believe john allen until somebody proves otherwise i believe that he did nothing inappropriate. >> that was white house spokesman jay carney and former army vice chief of staff peter tee ellie. jill kelley also received threatening letters from paula broadwell. now a 911 call is coming to light of kelley telling dispatchers saying she needed diplomatic protection. as the scandal widens, broadwell is holing herself up in the home of her brother near rock creek park. a jogger found broadwell's lost driver's license in the park and turned into the police. more bill is right after the break. stay with us. we have a big, big hour and the i.q. will go way up. how are you ever going to solve the problem if you don't look at all of the pieces? >>tv and radi
the pentagon is now investigating general allen for allegedly sending thousands of inappropriate e-mails to kelley but allen is saying he did nothing wrong and the president and the army are standing by him. >> the president thinks very highly of general allen and his service to his country. as well as the job he has done in afghanistan. >> i believe john allen until somebody proves otherwise i believe that he did nothing inappropriate. >> that was white house spokesman jay...
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. >> you also get another $600 billion in savings from the pentagon. what is your view about whether this country should be prepared to go beyond the $487 billion that the president initially targeted? >> i do think there are additional savings to remain in defense spending. it is important to be clear that those reductions were reductions from projected increases. it lot -- it was not a reduction from the baseline. if you go off the fiscal cliff, it is not anothe $500 billion billion. that was part of the simpson- bowles framework. the sequester is an irresponsible way to do with cuts whether it is defense or non-defense. it is across the board bus soffex. in terms of the magnitude of defense savings, five of hundred dollar billion cuts for 10 years is excessive. there are additional savings to be made in defense. senator levin has said another heaven -- hundred dollars billion. the key is to -- we should not have the budget decisions driving these decisions exclusively. -and not be the main component. what is our military strategy? we are doing lots
. >> you also get another $600 billion in savings from the pentagon. what is your view about whether this country should be prepared to go beyond the $487 billion that the president initially targeted? >> i do think there are additional savings to remain in defense spending. it is important to be clear that those reductions were reductions from projected increases. it lot -- it was not a reduction from the baseline. if you go off the fiscal cliff, it is not anothe $500 billion...
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the pentagon is looking at more than 20,000 pages of documents and e-mails between kelley and general allen. 20,000. officials tell the ap that some of the material was, quote, flirtatious. general allen denies having an affair with kelley, who we know was also friends with general petraeus. joining me now is michael isikoff, national investigative correspondent for nbc news. he's been breaking some of the big details on this case over the last few days. michael, first, thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> now, let me ask, general allen is now under investigation for his relationship with jill kelley. what can you tell us about the relationship and what can you tell us about miss kelley. >> we should say we don't know for sure. as you pointed out, the e-mails, these voluminous -- apparently voluminous e-mails describe a relationship or -- that appear to be flirtatious but, you know, potentially inappropriate is the word that was first used by the pentagon. but whether it goes more than that, we don't know. we do know that at least one woman, paula broad
the pentagon is looking at more than 20,000 pages of documents and e-mails between kelley and general allen. 20,000. officials tell the ap that some of the material was, quote, flirtatious. general allen denies having an affair with kelley, who we know was also friends with general petraeus. joining me now is michael isikoff, national investigative correspondent for nbc news. he's been breaking some of the big details on this case over the last few days. michael, first, thanks for being here...
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the pentagon's sex scandal widens. another four-star general, john allen, is now under investigation, too. we'll talk with john miller. >>> and millions of americans use instagram every day. we'll ask the billionaire co-founder of instagram why america turns to his app to share their pictures. but first, here's a look at what's been happening in the world and what we've been covering on "cbs this morning." >> word of the widening petraeus scandal came very early this morning. >> the pentagon has been investigating what it calls inappropriate communications from general john allen, the current commander of american forces in afghanistan. >> they were exchanged with jill kelley, the same woman who reportedly was threatened by paula broadwell, petraeus's biographer and mistress. >> this latest list is completely unexpected in this case. >> do civil yap house wives in florida have communications like that with top generals in afghanistan? >> i think jill kelley isn't your average civilian housewife in florida. >> cbs news
the pentagon's sex scandal widens. another four-star general, john allen, is now under investigation, too. we'll talk with john miller. >>> and millions of americans use instagram every day. we'll ask the billionaire co-founder of instagram why america turns to his app to share their pictures. but first, here's a look at what's been happening in the world and what we've been covering on "cbs this morning." >> word of the widening petraeus scandal came very early this...
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. >> and though he praised allen, panetta said he felt it was important to refer the matter to the pentagon's inpeck tore general. the senior defense official tells nbc news that panetta didn't make this decision lightly. secretary clinton acknowledged she has talked to u.s. partners about the allen case but says it won't harm the war effort. >> general allen is a distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission in afghanistan. there's been a lot of conversation, as you might expect, bob, but no concern whatsoever being expressed to us because the mission has been set forth. it is being carried out. >> the head of nato also told reporters today in brussels that he has full confidence in general allen. we are also learning more about the 20,000 to 30,000 documents that include some e-mails between general allen and the tampa socialite jill kelley which the pentagon calls potentially inappropriate communications. the fbi has characterized some of the e-mails as, quote, flirtatious. the general strongly denies any misconduct and the fbi has not found any
. >> and though he praised allen, panetta said he felt it was important to refer the matter to the pentagon's inpeck tore general. the senior defense official tells nbc news that panetta didn't make this decision lightly. secretary clinton acknowledged she has talked to u.s. partners about the allen case but says it won't harm the war effort. >> general allen is a distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission in afghanistan. there's been...
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he told pentagon officials he has done nothing wrong. al allen was in line to become supreme allied commander for europe, a nomination now on hold. allen, though will remain in charge of 68,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. meanwhile, late last night, fbi officials searched the north carolina home of paula broadwell, the woman linked to petraeus in an extramarital affair. agents left carrying several boxes of documents. officials have told cbs news that that began to surface in june when broadwale e-mailed kelley telling her to stay away from petraeus. this was about the same time that broadwell and petraeus broke off their affair. when petraeus learned she was sending harassing e-mails to kelley, he asked her to stop. she has hired a high-powered legal team including john edwards counsel, abbe lowell. friends and former aides say petraeus did not intend to resign from his job until it became clear that the scandal would become public. they now say petraeus is extremely remorseful. >> he said in those words, i screwed up. what i did was wr
he told pentagon officials he has done nothing wrong. al allen was in line to become supreme allied commander for europe, a nomination now on hold. allen, though will remain in charge of 68,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan. meanwhile, late last night, fbi officials searched the north carolina home of paula broadwell, the woman linked to petraeus in an extramarital affair. agents left carrying several boxes of documents. officials have told cbs news that that began to surface in june when...
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maybe potentially flirtatious but whatever they are, the general counsel at the pentagon has decided they are at least troubling enough that the inspector general should look and see whether the ig thinks they cross some sort of line. why the general counsel or ig think that we don't know yet but that's really the only sort of thing still being investigated, that plus the question of whether paula broadwell did violate laws on either obtaining or possessing in her home or home computer classified documents, the other last strand to be wrapped up. >> the correspondence between jill kelley and allen in some of these e-mails there is evidence that other people were cc'd like allen's wife, correct? >> well, no, not cc'd. my understanding is jill kelley and her husband had a joint e-mail account. they both used it so any e-mail sent to her would be seen by both of them and vice versa. >> okay. all right. pete williams reporting from d.c. thanks so much, pete. i appreciate it. i want to bring in jack jacobs, medal of honor recipient and msnbc military analyst. jack, it's great to have you
maybe potentially flirtatious but whatever they are, the general counsel at the pentagon has decided they are at least troubling enough that the inspector general should look and see whether the ig thinks they cross some sort of line. why the general counsel or ig think that we don't know yet but that's really the only sort of thing still being investigated, that plus the question of whether paula broadwell did violate laws on either obtaining or possessing in her home or home computer...
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what looked like a love triangle and now a love rhombus or parallel gram which moves you on to a love pentagon. i don't think there's any way of knowing what would have been brought by that original tip. it's bringing down some pretty lofty careers. >> what do you think about the tension between the fbi and cia? this would seem to expose some sort of -- i mean we know they're often -- agencies are often in competition with one another or there's tension. this would seem to be exemplary of that, given the fact that the fbi was investigating the head of the cia and some question whether that was appropriate, who knew what, where, when and how? >> it doesn't appear that the fbi attempted to use any of this information as leverage against the cia, which is what you would be concerned about domestic and international spy agencies learning information about each other and using it to leverage each other, to, you know, to create more or less power within the government. they've now toppled the cia director. one thing we should remember in this discussion and, you know, you're reading that opinion pie
what looked like a love triangle and now a love rhombus or parallel gram which moves you on to a love pentagon. i don't think there's any way of knowing what would have been brought by that original tip. it's bringing down some pretty lofty careers. >> what do you think about the tension between the fbi and cia? this would seem to expose some sort of -- i mean we know they're often -- agencies are often in competition with one another or there's tension. this would seem to be exemplary of...
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but the pentagon is investigating thousands of documents and e-mails, some of them were apparently flirtatious. turns out both allen and petraeus stepped in to help kelley's twin sister, natalie, in a custody battle with her ex-husband. both generals wrote letters on behalf of the sister. here's a photo of petraeus with the twin sisters. petraeus wrote to the court quote, we have on many occasions observed natalie and her son, including when we hosted them in the kelley family for christmas dinner this past year. in each case we have seen a very loving relationship. we removed the son's name to protect his identity as a minor. there you have it. who's who in the scandal along with the latest twists and turns. there's a lot to discuss tonight. back to our breaking news, the fbi search last night, agents spent about five hours at paula broadwell's north carolina home, took away boxes full of documents and computers. we now have new details on why they were there. joining me now on the phone is cnn national security contributor, fran townsend. as you know, fran recently visited libya with her emp
but the pentagon is investigating thousands of documents and e-mails, some of them were apparently flirtatious. turns out both allen and petraeus stepped in to help kelley's twin sister, natalie, in a custody battle with her ex-husband. both generals wrote letters on behalf of the sister. here's a photo of petraeus with the twin sisters. petraeus wrote to the court quote, we have on many occasions observed natalie and her son, including when we hosted them in the kelley family for christmas...
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david martin, cbs news, the pentagon. >> glor: pentagon contractors aren't the only one in with a stake in this debate. 120,000 small contractors take part in the federal marketplace. a market worth $500 billion. lowell vant slot is scrambling to run every conceivable raanning scenario for 2013. he's the military contracts manager for u.s. technologies which does 60% of its business with the defense department. >> not knowing exactly what to expect is not a position anybody wants to be in because we're affecting people's lives here. we don't want to lay people off. >> we ran them all through. >> the $12 million new jersey based company makes parts in electronics for defense systems but with the potential for deep cuts in spending looming on january 2nd, orders from the military are slowing down. >> they were supposed to order 400 of something, so far they've ordered two. >> this year american companies made 36 million meals ready-to- eat or m.r.e.s. nine million combat uniforms, nearly a million pairs of combat boots. even the giants depend on thousands of smaller companies. 1,300 suppl
david martin, cbs news, the pentagon. >> glor: pentagon contractors aren't the only one in with a stake in this debate. 120,000 small contractors take part in the federal marketplace. a market worth $500 billion. lowell vant slot is scrambling to run every conceivable raanning scenario for 2013. he's the military contracts manager for u.s. technologies which does 60% of its business with the defense department. >> not knowing exactly what to expect is not a position anybody wants to...